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		<title>By: Al Davies</title>
		<link>http://westernfrontamerica.com/2009/11/30/oath-keepers-pledge-uphold-constitution/comment-page-2/#comment-2131</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 05:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope and pray that the Oathkeepers movement will work.  However, I&#039;m not one to forget easily when a wrong has been done against the American people.  I remember Waco where many police officers from many departments, State police, FBI, BATF, National Guard, etc. participated in the slaughter of men, women, babies, and children.  The snipers bragged about what they did on film.  All of them had no problem with the outcome of this travesty and slaughter of innocent men, women, children and suckling babies. I firmly believe once a group of people are demonized long enough, those same criminals (LOA and Military) will go after whomever they are ordered to round up, exterminate, confiscate guns, or what ever.  The only way to stop them will be with force that they can understand.  You may disagree, but history ALWAYS repeats itself and man never learns.  Billions of people have been killed since man came to this earth, at the hands of governments, kings, tyrants, dictators, in the name of religion, etc. etc.  It continues to this day and this minute, and there is no reason that it will stop just because of Oath Keepers or any other group.  All we can do is have our beliefs and be willing to die for them in the end.  The earth and everything else will continue as it always has and always will.  If personal freedom is worth dying for, then go for it.  If freedom is not worth it to you, then you will also die at the hands of the tyrants anyway.  Whatever will be will be in the end.  I personally will not get down on my knees for any tyrant, socialist, communist, fake president, or anyone else for that matter.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope and pray that the Oathkeepers movement will work.  However, I&#8217;m not one to forget easily when a wrong has been done against the American people.  I remember Waco where many police officers from many departments, State police, FBI, BATF, National Guard, etc. participated in the slaughter of men, women, babies, and children.  The snipers bragged about what they did on film.  All of them had no problem with the outcome of this travesty and slaughter of innocent men, women, children and suckling babies. I firmly believe once a group of people are demonized long enough, those same criminals (LOA and Military) will go after whomever they are ordered to round up, exterminate, confiscate guns, or what ever.  The only way to stop them will be with force that they can understand.  You may disagree, but history ALWAYS repeats itself and man never learns.  Billions of people have been killed since man came to this earth, at the hands of governments, kings, tyrants, dictators, in the name of religion, etc. etc.  It continues to this day and this minute, and there is no reason that it will stop just because of Oath Keepers or any other group.  All we can do is have our beliefs and be willing to die for them in the end.  The earth and everything else will continue as it always has and always will.  If personal freedom is worth dying for, then go for it.  If freedom is not worth it to you, then you will also die at the hands of the tyrants anyway.  Whatever will be will be in the end.  I personally will not get down on my knees for any tyrant, socialist, communist, fake president, or anyone else for that matter.<br />
SeaBee</p>
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		<title>By: Anglo</title>
		<link>http://westernfrontamerica.com/2009/11/30/oath-keepers-pledge-uphold-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-2128</link>
		<dc:creator>Anglo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 03:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Grizz, you are correct in stating that: &quot;Every one of those parents and kids warned us about the police. They’d be your friend today, smiling,... and then stabbing you in the back.&quot;  That goes on to this day here in the United States within your churches, clubs, military; but, the Oath Keepers is where the line will be drawn in the sand separating the oath takers from the Oath Keepers!
Pitty the oath takers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Grizz, you are correct in stating that: &#8220;Every one of those parents and kids warned us about the police. They’d be your friend today, smiling,&#8230; and then stabbing you in the back.&#8221;  That goes on to this day here in the United States within your churches, clubs, military; but, the Oath Keepers is where the line will be drawn in the sand separating the oath takers from the Oath Keepers!<br />
Pitty the oath takers!</p>
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		<title>By: the friendly grizzly</title>
		<link>http://westernfrontamerica.com/2009/11/30/oath-keepers-pledge-uphold-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-2084</link>
		<dc:creator>the friendly grizzly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 23:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;troops&quot;, that is, the MILITARY, do not worry me. Only the LEOs, and not all of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;troops&#8221;, that is, the MILITARY, do not worry me. Only the LEOs, and not all of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda</title>
		<link>http://westernfrontamerica.com/2009/11/30/oath-keepers-pledge-uphold-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-2083</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhonda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here we go again - even a positive article on The Oath Keepers brings about negative response. We just can&#039;t win for losing.  

First off, we are NOT a militant group. We&#039;re not off in the woods practicing war games. Our mission is to Reach, Teach and Inspire. We are very upfront about our goals and our beliefs and Patriotism. You can go on our website and everything is out in the open for everyone to see. If someone gets out of line or too militant with their comments, they are &quot;invited&quot; to leave the organization.

&quot;Real OathKeepers&quot;, however is a horse of a different color.  Try to check out their website and see what they&#039;re all about.  Hmmmm - costs you to find out, doesn&#039;t it?  Please do NOT confuse the two groups. We are NOT the same. I&#039;ve heard what &quot;Real Oathkeepers&quot; is about, but I admittedly have not spent my hard-earned cash to find out for myself.  I don&#039;t know about anyone else, but if a group wants money up front just to reveal to you what they&#039;re about - I don&#039;t have the time of day for them.

The Oath Keepers is a very out front organization and everyone is invited to check out our website at any time.

www.oathkeepers.org 

I am proud to be a member of The Oath Keepers. I took my first oath when I first enlisted in the Air Force in 1979. I took that same oath a second time when I re-enlisted.  The oath that I took has NO EXPIRATION DATE.  We all took that oath - to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.  

To address the concerns of the poster who is cynical of our present-day troops honoring their oath - I really don&#039;t see that as a problem.  Today&#039;s troops are much more savvy than yesterday&#039;s, I think.  They think for themselves - they have to in combat. 

For them to follow an unconstitutional order, such as those described above, would not make sense to them.  They all have mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, wives, husbands, sons, daughters, etc., that such orders would affect. I really can&#039;t see the average military person blindly following an order like that.

Just in case, that&#039;s what The Oath Keepers are about. Reminding our military and peace officers, active and retired, of their oath and exactly what it means.  Most of us who took that oath took it with full knowledge and understanding. We are Patriots and we are proud of our commitment to the United States Constitution and all that it entails. 

Even those of us who are no longer active duty will proudly stand beside your sons and daughters of the current active duty military and peace officers and fully support them in their Constitutional endeavors. Once a Patriot, always a Patriot. They love their country too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here we go again &#8211; even a positive article on The Oath Keepers brings about negative response. We just can&#8217;t win for losing.  </p>
<p>First off, we are NOT a militant group. We&#8217;re not off in the woods practicing war games. Our mission is to Reach, Teach and Inspire. We are very upfront about our goals and our beliefs and Patriotism. You can go on our website and everything is out in the open for everyone to see. If someone gets out of line or too militant with their comments, they are &#8220;invited&#8221; to leave the organization.</p>
<p>&#8220;Real OathKeepers&#8221;, however is a horse of a different color.  Try to check out their website and see what they&#8217;re all about.  Hmmmm &#8211; costs you to find out, doesn&#8217;t it?  Please do NOT confuse the two groups. We are NOT the same. I&#8217;ve heard what &#8220;Real Oathkeepers&#8221; is about, but I admittedly have not spent my hard-earned cash to find out for myself.  I don&#8217;t know about anyone else, but if a group wants money up front just to reveal to you what they&#8217;re about &#8211; I don&#8217;t have the time of day for them.</p>
<p>The Oath Keepers is a very out front organization and everyone is invited to check out our website at any time.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.oathkeepers.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.oathkeepers.org</a> </p>
<p>I am proud to be a member of The Oath Keepers. I took my first oath when I first enlisted in the Air Force in 1979. I took that same oath a second time when I re-enlisted.  The oath that I took has NO EXPIRATION DATE.  We all took that oath &#8211; to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.  </p>
<p>To address the concerns of the poster who is cynical of our present-day troops honoring their oath &#8211; I really don&#8217;t see that as a problem.  Today&#8217;s troops are much more savvy than yesterday&#8217;s, I think.  They think for themselves &#8211; they have to in combat. </p>
<p>For them to follow an unconstitutional order, such as those described above, would not make sense to them.  They all have mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, wives, husbands, sons, daughters, etc., that such orders would affect. I really can&#8217;t see the average military person blindly following an order like that.</p>
<p>Just in case, that&#8217;s what The Oath Keepers are about. Reminding our military and peace officers, active and retired, of their oath and exactly what it means.  Most of us who took that oath took it with full knowledge and understanding. We are Patriots and we are proud of our commitment to the United States Constitution and all that it entails. </p>
<p>Even those of us who are no longer active duty will proudly stand beside your sons and daughters of the current active duty military and peace officers and fully support them in their Constitutional endeavors. Once a Patriot, always a Patriot. They love their country too.</p>
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		<title>By: the friendly grizzly</title>
		<link>http://westernfrontamerica.com/2009/11/30/oath-keepers-pledge-uphold-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-2074</link>
		<dc:creator>the friendly grizzly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 17:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry to be so cynical, but, here goes.  

When in school, many of my friends were the children of people who survived Germany&#039;s little experiment with the New World Order.  Some of those kids were, themselves, ones who got over the border in a hail of gunfire when the Hungarian Uprising came about.

Every one of those parents and kids warned us about the police.  They&#039;d be your friend today, smiling, and buying a meal at your restaurant or having a radio mended in your repair shop.  The next week, due to a new law, they&#039;d &quot;raus!&quot; you into the trucks and cattle cars, or shoot you in the back &quot;while trying to escape&quot; the next. They obeyed orders.

I do not for one minute think that most of the law enforcement personnel in Oath Keepers will honor their pledge.  When told to round up [insert undesirable group here] they will weight their pay and their ego&#039;s need for power over the peasants against principles.  I believe their choice will be obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry to be so cynical, but, here goes.  </p>
<p>When in school, many of my friends were the children of people who survived Germany&#8217;s little experiment with the New World Order.  Some of those kids were, themselves, ones who got over the border in a hail of gunfire when the Hungarian Uprising came about.</p>
<p>Every one of those parents and kids warned us about the police.  They&#8217;d be your friend today, smiling, and buying a meal at your restaurant or having a radio mended in your repair shop.  The next week, due to a new law, they&#8217;d &#8220;raus!&#8221; you into the trucks and cattle cars, or shoot you in the back &#8220;while trying to escape&#8221; the next. They obeyed orders.</p>
<p>I do not for one minute think that most of the law enforcement personnel in Oath Keepers will honor their pledge.  When told to round up [insert undesirable group here] they will weight their pay and their ego&#8217;s need for power over the peasants against principles.  I believe their choice will be obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie Gilbert - Oath Keeper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddie Gilbert - Oath Keeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Matt

No sweat, Matt.

It was an understandable error. The ten &quot;Orders We Will Not Obey&quot; DO stand out quite prominently on our main page.

And there&#039;s a reason for that. The reasoning behind those &quot;orders We Will Not Obey&quot; are simply to &quot;pull the teeth and claws of the Tiger&quot;, so to speak. Those active duty Military members and Peace Officers who are willing to &quot;stand down&quot; when an unlawful, unconstitutional order is given would cause &quot;gaps in the line&quot; if The Powers That Be ever overstepped their Constitutional authority and issued such bogus orders.

The last time I checked, no one has ever been gummed to death by a toothless, clawless tiger!

Those &quot;gaps in the line&quot; would be just enough to cause doubt in the minds of TPTB if they&#039;re thinking about &quot;pulling a fast one&quot; on the American people. Trust me, THEY&#039;RE not going to pull off their suits and ties and &quot;gear up&quot; to get on the line!

&quot;Gaps in the line&quot; = &quot;Maybe we should RETHINK this!&quot; in the minds of TPTB.

That&#039;s why I joined Oath Keepers. I&#039;m a former Marine and am currently an active duty Peace Officer. I know it&#039;ll work because I&#039;ve SEEN it work... 

...A situation comes up. Orders are given to deal with the situation. Everyone&#039;s getting ready to implement the orders...

Then, JUST ONE guy says: &quot;Hold up guys. This ain&#039;t right!&quot;...

Then, two or three OTHER guys (who were thinking the same thing) say: &quot;Yeah Lieutenant, THIS AIN&#039;T RIGHT!&quot;...

The Lieutenant thinks it over (although he&#039;s pretty pissed that things aren&#039;t going smoothly)...

Then he issues some orders that ARE right...

The mission continues, correctly...

All it takes is for that ONE GUY to stand his ground. 

BTDT

Now, I&#039;m all for patriotic organizations and groups working to restore our Country to the Republic that the Founders envisioned. I believe that it&#039;s gonna happen. It&#039;ll take some time, some political action, some education of the citizens, and some real work though, to make it happen.

That&#039;s why I like the idea of Oath Keepers so much. I&#039;m a &quot;bottom-line&quot; kind of guy. The idea behind Oath Keepers is to &quot;draw a line in the sand&quot; that TPTB CAN&#039;T cross while the process is happening.

Hey, what can I say... Bottom line, it keeps everybody honest while the &quot;soup is cooking&quot;!

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Matt</p>
<p>No sweat, Matt.</p>
<p>It was an understandable error. The ten &#8220;Orders We Will Not Obey&#8221; DO stand out quite prominently on our main page.</p>
<p>And there&#8217;s a reason for that. The reasoning behind those &#8220;orders We Will Not Obey&#8221; are simply to &#8220;pull the teeth and claws of the Tiger&#8221;, so to speak. Those active duty Military members and Peace Officers who are willing to &#8220;stand down&#8221; when an unlawful, unconstitutional order is given would cause &#8220;gaps in the line&#8221; if The Powers That Be ever overstepped their Constitutional authority and issued such bogus orders.</p>
<p>The last time I checked, no one has ever been gummed to death by a toothless, clawless tiger!</p>
<p>Those &#8220;gaps in the line&#8221; would be just enough to cause doubt in the minds of TPTB if they&#8217;re thinking about &#8220;pulling a fast one&#8221; on the American people. Trust me, THEY&#8217;RE not going to pull off their suits and ties and &#8220;gear up&#8221; to get on the line!</p>
<p>&#8220;Gaps in the line&#8221; = &#8220;Maybe we should RETHINK this!&#8221; in the minds of TPTB.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I joined Oath Keepers. I&#8217;m a former Marine and am currently an active duty Peace Officer. I know it&#8217;ll work because I&#8217;ve SEEN it work&#8230; </p>
<p>&#8230;A situation comes up. Orders are given to deal with the situation. Everyone&#8217;s getting ready to implement the orders&#8230;</p>
<p>Then, JUST ONE guy says: &#8220;Hold up guys. This ain&#8217;t right!&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Then, two or three OTHER guys (who were thinking the same thing) say: &#8220;Yeah Lieutenant, THIS AIN&#8217;T RIGHT!&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>The Lieutenant thinks it over (although he&#8217;s pretty pissed that things aren&#8217;t going smoothly)&#8230;</p>
<p>Then he issues some orders that ARE right&#8230;</p>
<p>The mission continues, correctly&#8230;</p>
<p>All it takes is for that ONE GUY to stand his ground. </p>
<p>BTDT</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m all for patriotic organizations and groups working to restore our Country to the Republic that the Founders envisioned. I believe that it&#8217;s gonna happen. It&#8217;ll take some time, some political action, some education of the citizens, and some real work though, to make it happen.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I like the idea of Oath Keepers so much. I&#8217;m a &#8220;bottom-line&#8221; kind of guy. The idea behind Oath Keepers is to &#8220;draw a line in the sand&#8221; that TPTB CAN&#8217;T cross while the process is happening.</p>
<p>Hey, what can I say&#8230; Bottom line, it keeps everybody honest while the &#8220;soup is cooking&#8221;!</p>
<p> <img src='http://westernfrontamerica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 05:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ &quot;real oathkeeper&quot; 
Fail liberal propaganda is fail.  You state to keep an oath to defend the Constitution, yet you also trash it.  You also do not discuss the content of what the Oathkeepers will not do.  Are we to understand that you support those things?  

@ Mr. Gilbert, my apologies for stating that your list of what you will not do as the oath itself.  It was a mistake on my part.  Thank you for having our backs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ &#8220;real oathkeeper&#8221;<br />
Fail liberal propaganda is fail.  You state to keep an oath to defend the Constitution, yet you also trash it.  You also do not discuss the content of what the Oathkeepers will not do.  Are we to understand that you support those things?  </p>
<p>@ Mr. Gilbert, my apologies for stating that your list of what you will not do as the oath itself.  It was a mistake on my part.  Thank you for having our backs!</p>
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